The strength of their case

Mike Selvey

Let’s take a look at the piece by Mike Selvey, chief cricket correspondent of the Guardian, which has ruffled a lot of feathers during the last twenty four hours or so. 

For those unfamiliar with his work in recent months, Selvey (above) has acquired a reputation as a Pietersenphobe, a Flowerite, and an apologist for the establishment. He described Paul Downton’s performance as “excellent”.

This is his first outing since the Pietersen book, and has already been the subject of insightful discussion at Dmitri Old’s blog.

He offers some praise – of a kind – for Pietersen.

Pietersen has been a sportsman of supreme gift, a unique batsman, a fearless seat-of-the-pants player capable of transforming a match perhaps like no other of his generation. No one who has had the privilege of watching him at close quarters since his memorable debut series can fail to say they were not the best of times. Pietersen does not warrant being remembered as a sour, vindictive man.

Alas, Selvey then wheels out a series of tired canards which stuck in my craw – and you may well feel the same.

First comes the idea, again, that Pietersen played only for himself.

Kevin Pietersen never really fitted the sporting mantra of no ‘I’ in team. In cricket, the individual performance matters, but always, for the greatest impact, it has to be channelled towards the collective end.

So it was instructive to find that towards the end of the inevitable circuit of soft, carefully tailored interviews and appearances to promote his book, the most telling remark to Kevin Pietersen, the only one that cut through the PR pap, came from the chatshow host Graham Norton. It was an uncomfortably gauche appearance by Pietersen, sat on a sofa alongside a worryingly unfunny John Cleese and an utterly bemused Taylor Swift, and towards the end Norton, who did not appear to much care for his guest, cut to the chase. “I want to put this nicely,” he said to Pietersen, “but reading the book, it strikes me that maybe, just maybe, team sport’s not for you?”

Now there is a withering truth.

Leave aside for the moment the obvious pleasure Selvey derives from Pietersen’s awkward performance on Norton (if medals were given for uncomfortable gaucheness on TV, Alastair Cook would have a chest-ful).

Focus instead on the notion that Pietersen played only – and cared only – for himself. What is the evidence for this?

I guess he’s referring to Pietersen’s tendency to perish to attacking strokes. But I’ve never seen the logic in this observation. How was that selfish? How can any batsman be?

Let’s imagine that Batsman X is only concerned with his own interests and personal outcome. He will surely resolve to score as many runs – for himself – as possible, and therefore try bat for as long as possible. This is just as useful for the team as for him individually. The mutual benefit is indivisible.

Conversely, losing his wicket does the selfish batsman no good.

Pietersen’s responsibility, as he saw it, was to try to win a session for England by going on the attack. His role was to complement the more cautious approach of Cook, Trott and Bell around him. You could easily argue that by risking his wicket in furtherance of team interests, rather than introspectively batting for survival, he was selfless, not selfish.

But back to Selvey:

With the exception of Andy Flower, wisely keeping his own counsel, and, despite his notorious inadvertent comment, Andrew Strauss, no one has emerged from the past nine months with dignity intact.

Hmm. Strauss, unprovoked and in cold blood, called Pietersen an “absolute c***” on live television. That’s quite a big ‘despite’.

How intact is Flower’s dignity? Beyond Pietersen’s own accusations, and strong circumstantial evidence that Flower betrayed private conversations to the press, we have the ECB dossier, which portrayed Flower as a bizarre and tyrannical ego-maniac. He made notes about Pietersen looking out of the window. He may have asked players and management to spy on Pietersen. He created a culture in which Prior and Cook felt obliged to report back details of a private meeting.

And what about the story in Pietersen’s book, highlighted on these boards yesterday by Clivejw.

“You may remember that before the Winter Ashes, Pietersen was given compassionate leave to arrive late in Australia so as to attend the funeral of a close friend. That friend was Jon Cole-Edwardes, whom Pietersen describes as “my best friend since our childhood together in South Africa” and “another brother to me.” KP’s loyalty to his oldest friends and his family is a constant theme throughout the book (not that you’d know it from the reviews).

“A year before, after so-called text-gate, before “reintegration,” KP held a golf day at Tring to raise funds for the JCE Trust, a charity set up by Cole-Edwardes, who was dying from a rare form of eye cancer. This took place between two of England’s one-day games against South Africa in September, for which KP was not, of course, picked.

“Pietersen invited some of the England players to join him in Tring (he doesn’t say who or how many)”.

Sky Sports News were there, and did a report to camera. Flower saw it. The players who had come to support the cause were there because they were my buddies. They knew what was going on in my life; they knew about my friendship with Jon. Flower tore a strip off each of them.

Phone calls. What the fuck do you think you are doing? You are not supposed to be there. You are not supposed to be supporting him.

They weren’t supporting me. They were supporting Jon.

The guys rang me and said, you won’t believe who has just been on the phone!

Who?

Flower.

All through that summer he left me twisting in the wind. He never once backed me in public. He never once tried to put the fires out.

I understood why when I heard about those calls.

Still think his dignity – and famous “integrity” – are intact, Mike?

And then comes the kicker:

Even given the strength of their case against Pietersen, which extends way beyond the pathetic leaked charge sheet, in terms of public relations, the England and Wales Cricket Board has been knocked into a cocked hat by Pietersen: whoever he employed has earned their corn 10 times over.

Er…so what is the case against him? Care to share it with this us? If it extends “way” beyond the dossier, then to what? You are the Guardian’s correspondent – isn’t your job to tell us these things, not just expect us to take your word for it?

As Guardian commenter Moossyn remarks:

You keep saying you know explosive things, ‘if you knew what i know’ etc.. etc. Certainly the biggest cricket story of the year and the chief cricket writer of this paper will not tell the readers of the paper what he knows.

Our own contributor Tregaskis landed the knockout punch:

I am struck how, during the period of the confidentiality agreement, the ECB leaked like a Chernobyl reactor as the firefighters at Lords desperately tried to stop its public relations efforts going into meltdown. Mike Selvey teased us all with stuff he knew but could not reveal. John Etheridge actually revealed the existence of a on-existent four-page dossier crammed with 50 misdemeanours. Alastair Cook expressed his frustration at the legal constraints that prevented him from giving his side of the story. Paul Downton was forced to apologise for over-eagerly breaching the agreement with barbs wired to alleged disinterestedness. The cricketing world has held its bated breathe as the embargo wound down like the Little Boy timer ready to unleash its nuclear revelations. Now, two weeks after the confidentiality agreement expired, with all parties freed to tell their truth, Paul Downton has lost his voice, Alastair Cook is as quiet as a church mouse, and the original four-page dossier has been reinvented as a five-page dossier recently compiled as a draft due-diligence document in response to Pietersen’s book,

Selvey rightly describes the new incarnation of the dossier as pathetic. This serves both to synthesise its actual worth and also to elevate the value of his self-proclaimed personal knowledge of how strong the ECB’s case against Pietersen actually is. In the words of Tony Mareno in Saturday Night Fever, “Why are you such a cock-tease?” Selvey constantly attempts to seduce us with his inside knowledge but always fails to deliver. The question most of us are asking is this: if the ECB has such a strong case, why did it fail to include the coups de grace in the most recent dodgy dossier? Mike, if you are right, then the ECB has just overseen yet another major failure of due diligence. The ECB are either dissemblers or incompetent.

Selvey continues by hinting again, gnomically, at some insider knowledge.

Unquestionably, he deserved a better exit than the back door, although I do know that the intention was to have feted him properly when the dust settled.

Really? What exactly was planned? In February, Paul Downton unceremoniously sent Pietersen packing – bringing down a nine year career of 13,000 runs with a five minute meeting in a St John’s Wood hotel. Are we to believe that – had it not been for the book – the ECB were about to celebrate his career with a ticker-tape parade, Lord’s reception and mass genuflection?

Pull the other one.

Turning now to the question of Pietersen’s output, Selvey continues.

Pietersen’s career can almost be divided into two halves. In the first, involving 45 Tests, up until when he lost the captaincy at the end of 2008, he averaged more than 50 and scored 15 hundreds. Since then, a further 59 Tests, when he should have been at his peak, brought a decline to an average of 44 and only eight hundreds (gradually hampered by achilles and knee problems, although what centuries some of them were) against averages of 49 for Cook and Ian Bell, with 18 and 12 hundreds respectively, and one of 46 with nine hundreds from Trott. Riches elsewhere manifestly began to intrude on and take precedence in his thoughts.

This is a remarkably similar argument to Martin Crowe’s. Both are flawed. If Pietersen’s centuries became fewer after losing the captaincy, what evidence pins that to his shifting spheres of influence – that he was motivated more by IPL paycheques than England? He had been crudely sacked for the crime of sending an e-mail. If anything defocused him, was it his his dented confidence – and sense of betrayal – rather than greed?

Did Pietersen train less diligently after January 2009? Did he work or try less hard? Did he conspicuously care less about scoring test runs?

In his first post-captaincy innings he top-scored with 97. He missed most of the 2009 Ashes due to injury. In 2010 he lost form, but after his Adelaide double century he top scored in 2011 against India, with 533 runs at 106. We all know what he did in 2012.

On Twitter, Dave Tickner put it this way:

You can manipulate stats in all directions. For example, in his last seventeen tests, Alastair Cook has scored zero centuries.

But there’s more.

I take issue with those who postulate management failure in Pietersen’s decline. It would appear then that there has also been management failure at every stop on the journey, from Natal, via Cannock, Nottinghamshire, Hampshire, and England. Is there not a common element here?

What was the management failure at Natal? Didn’t Pietersen leave for (in his view) pragmatic reasons? What happened at Cannock? And wasn’t he in fact well regarded at Hampshire, moving on because of inconvenient geography? At Nottinghamshire, Mick Newell thought he was difficult – but not enough to sack him. Any animosity he caused at Trent Bridge derived mainly – it seemed – from his decision to quit.

And finally:

Pietersen, meanwhile, cuts a sorry, if wealthy figure, hawking himself round the franchises of the world, playing mediocre cricket by his standards in mediocre teams in India and the Caribbean.

Whose fault is it, exactly, that Pietersen is not playing test cricket? Given his expulsion, what do you expect a sacked man to do? Doesn’t he have a right to work and earn money? Why sneer?

As the Independent’s Stephen Brenkley might have put it, “this will not do…it really will not”. Selvey is correspondent of a newspaper of record. He should look at the story from the public’s point of view, not Andy Flower’s, and recognise the levels of anger, incomprehension and frustration.

He has a responsibility to hold the ECB to account and put the questions which desperately require answers. Where are Paul Downton and Giles Clarke hiding? Why was Pietersen fired? Was there bullying? Why has so much confidential information about employees found its way into newspapers? Explain the dossier. Why did someone make a note of Pietersen looking at his watch? How rigorous was the inquiry into KP Genius? Will there be an investigation into the claims made about Flower’s conduct?

This is one of cricket’s greatest ever scandals and has once again been kicked into the long grass by the people whose job it is to uncover the facts. The likes of Selvey have opportunities to meet and speak to the principal characters; we don’t.

Think I’m exaggerating? Imagine if, in the same week, the pound collapsed on the currency markets, the Chancellor was found to be taking bribes from City banks, and the home secretary was caught dealing drugs. And then Nick Robinson came on the news to say, “I’ve just been speaking to the prime minister, and he assures me everything’s fine. He has great integrity, you know”.

107 comments

  • and meanwhile why did Flower and co pick 3 fast bowlers for the Ashes tour who proved to be useless,,,and why did they pick a keeper with a bad injury and not select a back-up…..etc etc etc…will they ever answer?

    • I wrote a piece about that at the end of the Ashes (which can be found somewhere or other below). To focus on one small section of it, the bowlers Flower took to Australia were Anderson, Broad, Finn, Swann, Monty, Tremlett, Bresnan, and Rankin.

      Broad was coming off a year or more of persistent injury problems but performed magnificently. Anderson, it turned out, had a broken rib. Swann had not recovered from elbow surgery and was only semi-fit. Bresnan was injured and would not be fit until the third or fourth Test. Monty was having significant personal problems and wasn’t even playing for his county. Tremlett wasn’t injured but was bowling at only 3/4 pace, having been injured almost ever since the previous Australia series and having shown no real form in the run up to the Ashes. Rankin clearly wasn’t fit. He was a sweating mess when he eventually played at Sydney, bowled a series of alarmingly slow wides, then went off with cramp. He came back on, bowled one ball – one! – then went off with severe cramp again. And Finn. What the hell happened to Finn. He didn’t play at all and was described as ‘unselectable’.

      Eight bowlers, none of whom were genuinely fit. Alongside them were Prior (injured) and Trott, who Gooch now says was obviously unwell before the Ashes, which he raised with Flower. Borthwick ended up as the England spinner. At the time he was playing amateur cricket for my local club, and even they don’t play him as a bowler.

      Looking at it in black and white, it’s very hard to see how that tactically sound plan unravelled.

      Disinterest and disengagement, I suppose…

    • At least after 2006/07 they had the Ken Schofield report, which smacked a little of a box-ticking exercise, but was at least something (although the only change I remember as a consequence was Geoff Miller replacing David Graveney).

      This time, when we lost even more embarrassing to a much weaker side – de riens.

  • When it comes to selfishness in cricketers, the only person I can think of who has been castigated anywhere near as much for the way they played is Boycott. It’s clearly not about the way they play – could you imagine two more different players in terms of style? The only similarity I can see is in the fact that they’re not easy to manage.

    • There are a number of striking parallels between Boycott and Pietersen. Neither of them were obviously supremely gifted batsmen when starting out; rather, they made themselves great through hard work, ambition, and attention to detail. Both are real ‘thinkers’ about the craft of batting.

      Like Pietersen, Boycott was never one of the lads in the dressing room; was probably not universally loved by colleagues; and was portrayed, inaccurately, as a loner.

      Pietersen’s team-mates tried to take him down a peg by collusion, of some kind, in a Twitter account. Boycott’s stripped him naked and covered him in shaving foam.

      Like Pietersen, Boycott was dropped for an unusual, controversial reason – Doug Insole, then chair of selectors, suspended Boycott after making a double century for batting too slowly.

      In retirement Boycott has never been close to the cricket establishment, and it’s a fair bet Pietersen won’t either. Both have established a power base in India; KP through the IPL; GB through commentary on ESPN.

      Boycott made 8114 runs in 108 tests at 47.72, with 22 centuries.

      Pietersen made 8181 runs in 104 tests at 47.28, with 23 centuries.

      Boycott captained England in four tests; Pietersen in three.

      • Good lord, didn’t realise the stats were so close. Should have guessed as I know them roughly off by heart anyway, but put together like that it looks ridiculous!

  • Mike Selvey deals in innuendo, not proof. His readers are expected to believe whatever he tells them. No proof. No objectivity. No honesty. No integrity. Just innuendo.

    A self-respecting journalist would have investigated exactly what happened following Kevin Pietersen’s sacking. They would have bombarded the ECB with questions at that time as well as following the publication of Pietersen’s book.

    But Mike Selvey and his fellow ‘journalists’ such as Newman, Etheridge, Brenkley, Agnew, Marks and others do not even aspire to be journalists. They treat their readers and cricket lovers with such contempt that they have neither criticism nor questions for the ECB.

    The important question for cricket lovers now is:

    What can we do to force Clark, Downton and Flower into the open?

    Any ideas Maxie?

    • “What can we do to force Clark, Downton and Flower into the open?”

      As always, go for the money. Which means going after the sponsors in a very public way that makes it obvious that it is their sponsorship that is the problem. Time for a boycott (or Boycott, maybe).

      When sponsors start to feel pressure, the sporting authorities will fall into line so quickly you’ll hear the sonic boom from Land’s End to John o’Groats.

    • I think commercial communication is good – sponsors can make of it what they will, but telling some brand manager that you think less of the company’s judgement because it has chosen to do business with the ECB is certainly the kind of marketing feedback that costs real money.

      Also, maybe a manifesto of sorts. I think that while there is a diversity of opinion out there that there are also some core principles, or questions, or whatever, that the vast majority of those ‘outside cricket’ can agree on. Yes or No on whether KP should be considered for in any future England international appearance, for instance, would probably not number among them. Something having to do with general principles of selection policy may well so. Something referring to any stated charter, bylaws, or published goals and principles of the ECB might be another.

      Any which way, surely there are three or four simple yes or no questions that could be formulated summing up a core of the position with a succinct justification of why and why this is relevant, documented with published fact.

      • Thanks for these really interesting, thoughts, Pontiac, which I’d love to return to in more depth another time.

        I actually did write a TFT ‘manifesto’ in May 2010, on the eve of the last general election.

        https://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/a-manifesto-for-english-cricket/

        Please bear in mind this was written four years ago and doesn’t stand up quite so well now!

        Responding also to Culex’s point, there is probably some mileage in trying to get the point across to the ECB via Waitrose, eg.

    • Response to “Mike Selvey deals in innuendo”.

      His “trust me – I’m a journalist” shtick is from another age – like his dressing down of a perfectly reasonable post for being “impertinent”. It is like he is stuck in the 50s although whether it’s the 1950s or 1850s is open to doubt.

      As one perceptive commenter argued on the Guardian thread, his two bits of innuendo this time are laughably inconsistent. We know you have a list of crimes longer than Himmler’s AND we were going to hold a really lovely party for you. How does that work?

      • He has also said, repeatedly, words to the effect of “we just don’t know what went on” and/or “things must have been bad for reasonable men such as Strauss/Cook etc to be so fed up”.

        In other words he probably doesn’t really know anything, or at least nothing which would not leave him susceptible to legal action if published.

      • Not only is that approach from another age, but becomes increasingly less credible in *this* age of democratised media and mass access to public platforms (and Google), im which journalists’ work will be heavily scrutinised and discussed.

    • I wish I did! On my part I’ve done all I can by approaching the ECB for an interview:

      https://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/so-whats-next-part-three/

      You can understand why the press office weren’t going to ask Clarke if he fancied an interview with a lowly blogger he’d never heard of, but at least we asked the question.

      We need to think of some unconventional but legitimate tactics – any ideas?

      John Etheridge said on Dmitri’s blog (words to the effect) that the ECB and Flower himself are flatly declining interview bids. To be fair to the mainstream cricket press, I’m sure they’ve tried very hard to get something out of them – and so would have general news desks last week – because which hack wouldn’t want a Flower or Clarke exclusive? They can’t *make* the ECB speak.

      I obviously agree, though, with the overall point that too few mainstream journalists have continually asked the difficult questions. What’s needed is an Andrew Gilligan character; look at the way he’s nagged away at Lutfur Rahman, the controversial mayor of Tower Hamlets – gradually exposing evidence of malpractice.

      To do that, though, you need an editor who agrees that the readership will be interested.

      Of the people above, John E has agreed to do an interview for us later this month, and I think we should give him a lot of credit for that and listen then to what he has to say. In terms of journalism, I think there will always be a difference in approach between ex-pros and the career newsroom inkies. You have to concede that Paul Newman, much though his Pietersenphobe vitriol feels like nails down a blackboard, is doing the job the Mail sports editor pays him for – getting newslines (he managed to wrangle most of the dossier in advance).

      I reckon it’s a bit harsh to put Vic Marks on a blacklist – he mainly stays out of Pietersen skirmishes, although others on these boards probably follow him more closely and can say more.

      • Not living in the UK I have no idea whether this idea would work or not but could you not contact the PR department of the main sponsor Waitrose and tell them that you cannot get a response out of the ECB on cricketing matters. If that does not elicit a response then perhaps a campaign to boycott Waitrose, or a public petition to get Waitrose to force the ECB to respond to your questions. In combination with Dmitri’s blog and the posssible use of Twitter I think you may find that they would be averse to the opprobrium that might arise from such action.

        • Thanks Ron – there’s definitely a plan in there somewhere, I’ll return to the subject in dedicated post sometime soon.

      • Hi Maxie!

        Thank you for your comments. Yes, I know that you tried to get an interview with Giles Clarke and were rebuffed. Pity!

        It is true that mainstream journalists can’t *make* the ECB speak and also true that too few mainstream journalists have continually asked difficult questions of the ECB. But, in the absence of answers from the ECB, these journalists – including Vic Marks – should be posing difficult questions in their columns and criticising the ECB for its persistent silence. This, with the exception of Mike Walters, has not happened. If these journalists were to use their columns in this way it would surely have considerable influence.

        I won’t say much about John Etheridge except to say that he is not in my good book and I told him off only yesterday over at Dmitri’s, as did a few others. Hope his interview proves enlightening.

        As to what we can do, I am sure you will figure out a good plan together with James and Dmitri. We need direction and inspiration. A manifesto and pressure via Waitrose are good ideas well worth investigating. Perhaps we can write our own book, an e-book, which can be freely downloaded. This will help the general cricket public understand what our issues are.

        All the best.

        Zero

        • Hi Zero – as I mentioned in another comment, when the current hubbub has died down a little, we can take a focused look at these themes and canvass opinion. A book is a rather good idea. Some will say that one little blog is unlikely to change the world, but as former ECB and Tesco boss Lord McLaurin might say, ‘every little helps’!

    • Oh Zero I so agree with your post and the question at the end!!!

      I was very, very angry yesterday by the article which was indeed just innuendo. Fantastic posts that were in receipt of a great amount of recos in a very short time period. Then what happens? All those long (including my own) comments were modded and one was removed altogether. Glad to say that Dmitr – bless him – copied it before it was removed. Utterly disgusted with the Guardian and have written to the Editor to say so. I’ve asked why they were moderated and on what basis? I also asked if Mr Selvey is allowed to say what he wants moderated because those whose comments have gone were, in the main, the most popular! Then I asked if the Guardian believed in the right of people to ask questions of Mr Selvey as it seems it is these comments that have been removed. Of course one can go on to the Telegraph where it moderates very lightly if at all. However one has to then deal with Zom4 et al and a fairly new person Jardineyes? Who just insults people, especially women!!!

      As I said on Dmitri Old’s blog last night, thank God there is a safe haven on his blog and on the Full Toss.

      I am angry with MS and cannot see how he can so blatantly pass off innuendo as fact and why on earth people believe it, is beyond me. He has said nothing of any consequence really in his piece. Whatever he has written is not journalism. Vic Marks hasn’t given anything either. As for DP well, I just do not know how he gets away with writing such guff.

      One person who wasn’t moderated, last time I looked, gave a one sentenced comment which to me said it all: “Mr Selvey, I just do not believe you anymore!”

      • Thank you Annie. Please don’t upset yourself over Selvey’s article and all the modding/deleting at the Guardian. These are difficult times for cricket lovers expecting honesty and integrity from journalists.

        Be happy in yourself and take care. All the best to you and your dog.

  • Mike Selvey has abandoned all pretensions to intellectual honesty. I used to be a huge admirer, and even recently frequently expressed admiration for his prose style. But no more: I have nothing for him now but the most profound contempt.

  • Absolutely agree about the “Pietersen batted selfishly” trope that keeps popping up. It’s nonsense. A related, but slightly different one is to claim that in test cricket batsmen like Pietersen are a “luxury”- the icing on the cake of a good batting line up, but not an essential component. This is totally misguided.

    To have attacking batsmen in your team isn’t just a bonus for the fans, it’s a tactical imperative. Without players who can capitalise on a good platform by scoring quickly, who have a range of shots to exasperate the most careful setter of fields, who can take back the initiative after a poor session the team becomes very easy to play against. We’ve seen this in the last couple of years with England, even while Pietersen was in the team. As England batted more and more defensively their results got worse not better.

    The teams that have sustained success in tests have batting line ups containing both solid citizens and flair players. One is no more necessary than the other. The flair of Pietersen was just as important for England’s “golden period* ” as the determination of Cook and the discipline of Flower.

    * despite all the continued credit being showered on Flower in the press, and all the hand-wringing about “tarnishing the era”, this lasted very little time at all, relatively speaking. It amounted, all in all, to about two years of being, along with South Africa, one of the best two sides in the world. Sandwiched between equally long periods of demonstrably not being anywhere near that.

    • “to claim that in test cricket batsmen like Pietersen are a “luxury””.

      As Danny Blanchflower said, it is the mediocrities who have to be tolerated – not the geniuses. He would never have bowled dry!

    • The entire notion makes no sense. And as you say, it is necessarily always in the *team’s* best interests to err on the side of caution? How often in the last four or five years have we come unstuck after our top order became bogged down and run-less?

      Why is it that someone like Pietersen received such flak for playing an attacking stroke and making a misjudgment, but it’s OK for Cook to play a defensive stroke – or a limp drive – and make a misjudgment? Why is one more selfish than the other?

  • The Rational Wiki:

    Poisoning the well is a rhetorical technique and logical fallacy that uses the association of negative emotions to distract a subject from actual evidence in an argument.

    The usual method is to point out the unpleasant nature of the person making the opposing argument, in which case it is a special case of a personal attack or ad hominem. In general, “to poison the well” means to pre-provide any information that could produce a biased opinion of the reasoning, positive or negative.

    It can be done subtly or quite blatantly. A subtle way of poisoning the well would be to use particular adjectives in introducing something that would influence people who are about to hear an argument. In a more blatant display, someone can make an outright personal attack in an introduction. For example, asking people to remember that a person has been in prison before listening to their statements; the well is now “poisoned” because people are likely to distrust a person making an argument knowing that they’re a convict, regardless of the reasoning that they put forward.

    So in the case of Pietersen, typical instances of poisoning the well include, but are not limited to:

    a) gratuitous use of “South African-born batsman”, particularly when the same epithet is not applied to South African-born Strauss and Prior and Andy Flower is not described as “the Zimbabwean-born former coach.” This is a particular favourite with the Daily Mail as it enables a familiar message to be sent in the most easily decipherable of codes to its core readership.

    b) implications that he’s a mercenary, that his entire motives for writing his autobiography can be reduced to money: “lucrative book deal,” “cashing in,” “he cuts a lonely, if wealthy figure”, “Kevin Pietersen’s rage to riches story,” and, most frequently, dismissing all his arguments with the curt line “he has book to sell.”

    Amazingly, the latter line can even be used by Andrew Strauss, who has already written a book containing criticisms of Pietersen, and by Graeme Swann, who wrote one while sharing a dressing room with a colleague who could not answer back to his attacks.

    c) Repetition of “damning” “facts” that the author knows to be untrue in the expectation that their mere regular repetition will cause them to be generally accepted as true, a particularly egregious form of intellectual dishonesty. E.g. “Kevin Pietersen has fallen out with every team he has ever played with.” “Pietersen sent text messages to the opposite team explaining how to get Andrew Strauss out.” See also e).

    d) Gnomic utterances, claiming superior knowledge to the opposing side, while conspicuously failing to reveal it. E.g. “Even given the strength of their case against Pietersen, which extends way beyond the pathetic leaked charge sheet” — here Mike Selvey expertly demonstrates the chutzpah necessary to get away with intellectual dishonesty on a grand scale: simultaneously dismissing the case as presented hitherto as “pathetic”, while claiming that the strength of the case is proved by other, unseen and unexplained information — information that he knows, but you don’t. The gnomic utterance appeals particularly to the arrogant and intellectually insecure, because it means that they never have to back up their claims but can instead bask in presumed superior knowledge — though there may be more presumption than knowledge involved.

    e) In contrast to c), deliberate suppression of facts that undermine one’s case in the hope that no one will look them up. Sometimes it is harder to prove that this is the result of intellectual dishonesty rather than simply lazy incompetence. However, when you continue to do this even when the omitted facts have been pointed out to you several times, then the intellectual dishonesty is manifest. Examples would be: claiming that Pietersen declined as a batsman statistically after 2009, without acknowledging that he was the world’s third highest scorer in the period 2009-14, the hyping of Cook’s batsmanship while repeatedly refusing to acknowledge that he averages under 28 in four Ashes series out of five, repeatedly referring to text messages sent by Pietersen to the South Africans (they were BBMs, which, unlike texts, are deleted when the session ends), and even more culpably, combining this with an instance of c) by implying that the content of these messages is well established and known to all rather than known only to the sender and recipients, who themselves recall only vague details.

    f) A negative portrait of an individual can be sharpened by asserting, without evidence, the virtues of those who oppose him. So we have the evil Pietersen opposed by the “steely” Alastair Cook, the “noble” Andrew Strauss, the “good egg” Paul Downton who delivers his case “with quiet authority” and “with aplomb” (but — and this, of course, is not mentioned — subsequently has to apologise for speaking when he was bound by a confidential agreement, and then falls silent when that agreement has expired). Flower’s refusal to answer any of the chances against him in the KP book or the impression given of him by the leaked dossier is attributed to his “wisely keeping his own counsel.”

    g) Innuendo and insinuation. An egregious example would be John Etheridge’s omitting to say outright that he thinks Pietersen is lying about returning the cap and after gifts awarded to him on the occasion of his 100th test — a claim for which both Etheridge personally and the newspaper that employees him have publicly apologized for making. Instead, Mr. Etheridge drops hints and makes insinuations, while refusing when challenged to say what he means openly.

    • CliveJW,
      Thank you very much for summing up what has happened to KP. I had never heard the expression “poisoning the well” but it sums up Selvey’s diatribe perfectly.
      I would now like to posit the following:

      Selvey, so called Guardian cricket correspondent has by his writings come across as economical with the truth and so sycophantic towards the ECB that any sensible thinking person would have to ask why is he so set against KP.

      Is there any truth in what has been just written? Who knows but certainly it will be picked up and stated as fact somewhere. As has the information in the following paragraph from Selvey . ( It would appear then that there has also been management failure at every stop on the journey, from Natal, via Cannock, Nottinghamshire, Hampshire, and England. Is there not a common element here?).

      To ensure that Selvey has not been Messaging and Texting to his “friends” details of his misdemeanours, should he not submit his phone for a forensic audit so that we can find out details of anything else that he has done wrong. You might say the he deserves his privacy but would it not be in the interests of cricket for this to be made known after all Selvey is a public figure with a profile and has undue influence having the platform that he has as a Guardian correspondent.
      No doubt the “keyboard warriors”and “Guardianista trolls” will leap to Selvey’s defence with hysterical outbursts but it should be remembered that these people writing these comments about Selvey are “outsiders” who know nothing of the inner goings on of a so called “respectable” publication. We however know things that we cannot reveal.

      There we go about as much veracity in this fairy tale as there is in Selveys witterings about KP, but you can guarantee that somewhere in the world it will be taken as gospel truth.

      • While I have no truck with Selvey (witness several dozens of comments BTL on the Guardian over the last year).

        I am inclined to think that he is more likely to be taking Flower’s part in this. They seem to be fairly close friends and championing Flower is going to be seen to be championing the ECB as they are so closely aligned.

        That is not to say that Selvey wouldn’t champion the ECB absent Flower and perhaps in this case it’s a case that the two happily (for Selvey) coincide.

    • Brilliant post Clive. I think that, in terms of divisiveness versus actual worth, you might be the Guardian BTL community’s very own version of Kevin Pietersen. Perhaps “Sheep” is your equivalent of trying to reach centuries with a six.

    • Superb post Clive. A particularly egregious example of b) was Selvey’s “Pietersen does nothing without a commercial imperative” (2/10/12). Even worse was Ed Smith’s “he was infatuated with the things cricket could do for him” (20/2/14 – that paragragh by Smith claiming Pietersen doesn’t even really like cricket is the worst I’ve read in the entire shambles). Add to it Vic Marks blaming India’s defeat on young men being paid too much and it really looks as if a certain sort of Oxbridge commentator have a profound problem with people from the wrong sort of families earning a very good living. They are the sorts who moan about footballers’ salaries but aren’t in the slightest concerned about executive pay.

      b) is then of course compounded by f) and the reporting of Alastair Cook. Cook as reported here is paid well and has numerous endorsements. No complaints about that – he is talented, works hard at the game and doesn’t have long to cash in. But from the reporting you’d think Cook was paid in seedcorn for his farm in Bedfordshire (although it feels located in some mythical middle England village pitched somewhere between Ambridge and Kansas).

      • “”Even worse was Ed Smith’s “he was infatuated with the things cricket could do for him””

        To which the only reasonable response is that Ed Smith transparently used cricket to raise his profile in anticipation of a career in journalism. He was already getting articles commissioned while still a pro cricketer and cultivating a reputation for himself (e.g. in his 2003 diaries) as a cultured, literate sportsman, all the while insisting that sport was his priority, not the writing.

        Then he retired at 31. OK, this was officially due to a persistent ankle injury, but it did notably coincide with a point at which his cricketing career appeared to be hitting the buffers anyway.

        I don’t blame him for any of this, btw. Any sportsman knows they have a shelf-life usually ending in the late 30s at best and if they haven’t achieved independent wealth by that point, need a plan B. And he’s a talented writer so it makes sense. But he shouldn’t really be casting stones on this subject.

      • I loved this:

        “But from the reporting you’d think Cook was paid in seedcorn for his farm in Bedfordshire (although it feels located in some mythical middle England village pitched somewhere between Ambridge and Kansas)”

        It’s long struck me that much of the ill-feeling towards Pietersen has undertones of class, taste, envy, and an echo of Gentleman v Players.

        I stand by what I said in this post:

        https://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/sticks-and-stones/

        “If you boil down his alleged misdemeanours, there is actually nothing on him of any substance. And his critics know this, deep down. They don’t hate him for a few texts or a messy attempt to miss some ODIs. No, they revile him for his alien attitudes. Pietersen was nakedly ambitious. He wanted success and made no apology for his desires or achievements. He lacked self-effacement.

        “None of those characteristics go down well in England. We prefer modest types who fail to brash braggards who win. Pietersen is hated because he unsettled us, scared us, took us out of our comfort zone. His swagger held up a mirror to our national self-loathing, and we didn’t like what we saw. He was the flash guy at uni with the sports car and hot girlfriend, but you preferred to hang out with the boring loser who made you feel good by comparison”.

        The FT estimates that the leading England players earn around £1 million a year. Cook will earn the most, as captain, and has just had a benefit year. Like you say, no complaints about that.

        http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2301b8ae-f5bc-11e3-afd3-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3GK9ATUsa

    • Thanks so much for this, Clive – eye-opening points, powerfully argued, and beautifully written.

  • Very good piece Maxie and brilliant writing from Tregaskis. There are two ways of looking at most things but you do provide valuable insights to be further considered. Thanks.

  • There have been various commenters at the Guardian suggesting that Selvey is corrupt, or blindly following the ECB line. I’m with those who believe it’s just a matter of friendship. Selvey has been friends with Geoff Miller and Hugh Morris since his playing days (possibly also true of others in the ECB hierarchy?), and has recently become friendly with Flower. When their relationship with KP broke down over the IPL, KP’s correct decision not to allow the ECB the final say in “managing” his injuries, and Flower’s pathological need for total control, Selvey took their side.

    You can see he’s in a difficult situation; he’s decided that he’s not going to pass on to his readers things that friends have told him in confidence, even in an anonymised form, but he’s naturally pugnacious (there’s a reason he never fitted in to Aggers’ clubbable TMS, and was removed) and wants to keep on writing articles in his normal stye – without backing up his assertions with facts.

    There are two main problems with this approach. The first is that he’s been told that there are dark secrets, and it increasingly looks like they don’t exist, or only exist when viewed through the lens of Flower’s deranged dislike of Pietersen.

    Secondly, he’s a professional journalist. His constant hints that he knows something that he’s not going to tell you about are infuriating, and would be infuriating whatever the context. It’s like a string of those godawful sidebars you get in gossip columns – “which England cricketer has a SERIOUS case to answer about their behaviour last year?!?”.

    Still, I suppose a feeling of righteous anger is quite pleasant, particularly when it’s over something as ridiculous as cricket journalism. To echo Dave Tickner, I’ve had more fun following this nonsense than actually watching England play for the last few years. Just a shame that at the heart of it there’s a man who has had his career destroyed. Odd the things that give you pleasure, isn’t it?

    • In essence I agree. But then again those friendships are part of what irritates bloggers. I don’t see how you can expect highly engaged cricket fans not to notice, for example, that Mike Selvey, Jonathan Agnew, Derek Pringle and Simon Hughes all played domestic or international cricket with Paul Downton, and not to draw certain conclusions when their stances on key issues are so similar.

      Meanwhile Hughes has just taken over as “Editor at Large” of The Cricketer. The “Head of Editorial Planning and Production” is Graeme Swann’s brother. The Managing Director plays in Graeme Swann’s band. We’ll see if the most consistently anti-Pietersen and pro-Flower columnists (Selvey and Michael Henderson) retain their positions. The first “editorial” of the new era was written by Peter Moores in full Pollyanna mode, for crying out loud. Can I really not be forgiven for suspecting an establishment takeover of one of the few balanced voices remaining in the cricket media?

      It is horribly cosy, and it’s precisely why people seek out other professional journalists and independent voices who don’t appear to have these friendships and blatant conflicts of interest.

      • Response to Arron’s point about friendships and conflicts of interest:

        Steve James says this in ‘The Plan’: “Mike Atherton declined to be on the [Schofield] committee, citing a conflict of interest with his media duties.And good on him for doing so…. Atherton’s desire to remain on one side of the fence is depressingly rare in English cricket, indeed in cricket in general.Too many want to wear too many hats” (p149). James goes on to identify the various hats worn by Alec Stewart and Ashley Giles at various times and he mentions that Angus Fraser was nicknamed ‘Martini’ for his various roles (“any time, any place….” etc. How English – coin a mildly deprecating nickname rather than do something about it!).

        There was a particularly glaring example of this early in the summer from Selvey. He wrote a piece about the splendidness of the new selectors Mike Newell and Angus Fraser (again!):

        http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/may/06/angus-fraser-england-selectors-mike-newell

        (This was also the infamous ‘impertinent’ thread).

        The issue of a conflict of interest with their coaching roles came up. A business lawyer (fairisfoul at 10.42 and subsequently) posted a comment saying this would not be acceptable in business law. Selvey had been arguing just previously that England’s poaching of Farbrace from SL was okay because that’s how businesses behave and the ECB is a business! However here, apparently, the ECB is not a business and it was sufficient that Newell and Fraser are “solid… characters” plus our old friend TINA was wheeled out (how about paying three full-time selectors with some of the Sky megabucks?).

        This whole “solid characters” and “splendid chaps” mindset seems to be how they operate. It really does feel like a C19 Gentleman’s Club working by peer review and ‘black balls’ and once inside the club your position is “unimpeachable” (a word they love and that Selvey uses). I know not whether Fraser and Newell are splendid chaps and the selection of the England team should not depend on it. And that isn’t even going into what Downton is doing “sitting in on” selection meetings…..

    • While you might be right about Selvey’s motives. Eg friendship. What about all the other journalists?

      I don’t mind that a journalist here or there takes the ECBs side. But when it is blanket, across the board, and virtually no counter position is allowed something stinks. If you add in the way opposing views from the public are censored from the Guardian web site you are looking at something resembling a conspiracy.

      If all the journalists are right, and we are wrong then thy have to back it up with facts. Just by saying “every journalist knows the true story” does not pass muster if they won’t reveal what those facts are.

      I also think there is a tendency of ex average players; Selvey, Agnew, Pringle to take the management view. It is interesting that great/ maverick ex players like Boycott or Warne have been more suspicious of the ECB management line. They understand individuality/ unique talent more than the also rans.

      • There isn’t much point in a journalist developing and maintaining contacts unless they make proper use of the information they receive from them. Otherwise it’s just hints and innuendos. If a cricket journalist finds him/herself in a situation where there personal friendships are compromising their copy – are they in the right job?

        I reckon it’s less about friendships than cultural milieu – pretty much Mark’s point. The journalists and pundits who get the most flak on board such as this tend to be those whose own careers were middling to minor. Most of them have either a handful of test caps, or none. In their playing days, they tended to be workmanlike, honest, unassuming county pros rather than mould-breaking buccaneers.

        As a consequence, they relate to people like James Whitaker and Andy Flower, who are cut from the same unpretentious, no-frills, muck in with the lads, keep-your-head-down cloth. Yhey naturally sympathise with what they imagine were the difficulties in managing Pietersen, whom they find it very hard to relate to because of (in their view) his unorthodox, awkward, alien, value-set and apparent desire for money and fame.

  • By the way, fantastic article, and fantastic comments, as ever – feel I should say that more often. Thank you. Wouldn’t be nearly so much fun without this place and Dmitri.

  • Sadly, your political for-instance is exactly what would happen. In fact, it does happen on an almost daily basis.
    Without wishing to start sounding like my Dad, when you can’t even turn to cricket anymore for a dose of sanity in a crazy world, you know the end is nigh.

    • Ha Ha, that Swanny is such a joker:

      “I have never been a man for statistics, but statistics would seem to suggest so,”

      He says about a man younger than he is. Doubt he wondered if Pietersen was going downhill when he got that ton at OT last summer…

    • The Claim by Graeme Swann that Kevin Pietersen was…… “over the hill anyway” ……seems to me an admission that he, and his ECB bosses have nothing. Having spent 9 months saying …….”wait until you see the evidence, wait until you see the real truth,” …… they are now reduced to saying in effect, he was past it.

      This may or may not be true. But it is not what has been hinted at, or implied, or smeared with innuendo. Having been given an avalanche of facts, backed up by third parties and the leaking of the dreaded dossier the anti KP people are left with egg all over their faces. All they can do is now fall back to the position of saying he was too old, so who cares?

      If he was too old, and still managed to top the batting averages in Australia, what does that say about the rest of the team. The younger, more handsome, more virile (one for Pringle) captain?

      Thanks Swanny, you just admitted the real truth. You have nothing.

      • Don’t forget, Swann wasn’t saying KP was on the wane in February, he was backing him very strongly.

    • Thanks, Andrew – on both counts. I’ll try and look at Swann’s comments in a post tomorrow.

  • This blog is excellent stuff. I must congratulate you guys on the media watch you have going here. Also several BTL contributors on the main stream pages of the KP issue, some of whom seem to write here as well. The post on the death of English Cricket Journalism was fantastic.

    The media bias on this issue is pretty shocking once you wake up to it. Even to a complete outsider, it has been fairly evident for a while now that journalists like Selvey, Newman, Pringle et al have been carrying out a sustained campaign against KP with little or no factual justification. They have zero credibility left on any topic going forward. .
    What has surprised me is the lack of proper perspective from writers such as Atherton and Crowe, from whom one expects more. Both have adopted the “there’s nothing going on here, move along” approach (Crowe seems to have some personal dislike for KP, evident in his recent piece, and in previous ones as well). Some of it might come from “values” they adopted when they were cricketers, which they they see KP in breach of. I don’t think they like the establishment-shaking which is happening, which compromises them as journalists.

    I think KP owed it to cricket fans in general to go public with his side of the story, since it is fans who have been robbed of watching him bat (personally, I prefer watching classical batsman, but it is impossible to deny the thrill KP brings). This episode has in a sense become bigger than KP, but I don’t think it should be forgotten that in essence it is about a person’s employment having been terminated without giving him a proper reason for it. How many articles have focused on that?

    There have been exceptions such as Dobell. There are also a couple of fair pieces from wisdenindia which you guys might have missed – http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-blog/pietersen-saga-line-anyway/130698; http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-blog/sale-controversies-complications/130570.

    Here in India, dropping our best batsman without an explanation would probably result in burning effigies, a few stones, and maybe a slipper or two. That is obviously not the way to go about things. But the question is what do you do once the storm from the autobiography dies down in the 24/7-reality-entertainment broadcasts that masquerade as news? This is what the ECB are counting on, because they can continue to drip poison from their mouthpieces.

    Whatever it is you come up with, I wish you guys luck!

    • Many thanks, Avinash – both for your kind words and your excellent comments.

      When you think about all the propaganda waged against Pietersen over the last five years, of course he wanted a right of reply, and you’re right to say he owed it to supporters to go public.

      Those who expected him to show more restraint and ‘dignity’ should try looking at things from his point of view.

  • Maxie, I hope you do not mind me posting here my comment on the Guardian responding to Selvey’s article. I realise that you have already quoted from my post, but the censors at Farringdon Road have, after 18 hours, modded my piece. Jeez, does Alan Rusbridger know what’s going on at the sports desk?

    “There it is. Mike Selvey’s journalistic legacy captured in a single paragraph. Bloggers and micro-bloggers have long been dismissed as know-nothings and fringe idiots. Let’s also forget the acres of newsprint and cyberbanks of pixels wasted by journalists over eight months of futile navel gazing. Let’s even forget for a moment the repository of secret information held by Selvey. Let us all relinquish our diverse opinions and knowledge informed and enriched by years in or around the game. The best brains, players and writers in cricket have wrestled for half a year with a complex narrative that has torn cricket apart, they have tried to untangle tragic themes that were beyond the grasp of Aeschylus, they have sought to analyse deep psychological forces at play that Freud would have long abandoned. Instead, let the legacy of the greatest England batsman in a generation be defined and enshrined by the parting money shot of a piss-taking television joker looking for cheap laughs.

    While we are on a theme here Mike, let’s dismiss the genius of Monty Python and Fawlty Towers because you found John Cleese, on the night, worryingly unfunny.

    I am struck how, during the period of the confidentiality agreement, the ECB leaked like a Chernobyl reactor as the firefighters at Lords desperately tried to stop its public relations efforts going into meltdown. Mike Selvey teased us all with stuff he knew but could not reveal. John Etheridge actually revealed the existence of a non-existent four-page dossier crammed with 50 misdemeanours. Alastair Cook expressed his frustration at the legal constraints that prevented him from giving his side of the story. Paul Downton was forced to apologise for over-eagerly breaching the agreement with barbs wired to alleged disinterestedness. The cricketing world has held its bated breath as the embargo wound down like the Little Boy timer ready to unleash its nuclear revelations. Now, two weeks after the confidentiality agreement expired, with all parties freed to tell their truth, Paul Downton has lost his voice, Alastair Cook is as quiet as a church mouse, and the original four-page dossier has been reinvented as a five-page dossier recently compiled as a draft due-diligence document in response to Pietersen’s book,

    Selvey rightly describes the new incarnation of the dossier as pathetic. This serves both to synthesise its actual worth and also to elevate the value of his self-proclaimed personal knowledge of how strong the ECB’s case against Pietersen actually is. In the words of Tony Mareno in Saturday Night Fever, “Why are you such a cock-tease?” Selvey constantly attempts to seduce us with his inside knowledge but always fails to deliver. The question most of us are asking is this: if the ECB has such a strong case, why did it fail to include the coups de grace in the most recent dodgy dossier? Mike, if you are right, then the ECB has just overseen yet another major failure of due diligence. The ECB are either dissemblers or incompetent.

    Selvey has form when it comes to bending with the wind. I’m indebted to Rishi Malhotra (below) for digging out Selvey’s compelling Jan 2009 article supporting Pietersen in deed and personality in the aftermath of his unedifying sacking as test skipper. Selvey was at it again with compelling conflict-of-interest criticisms, in August 2009, of the appointment of Ashley Giles as a national selector while continuing as director of cricket at Warwickshire. When Gus Fraser and Mick Newell recently assumed selector status while retaining their respective director of cricket roles, Selvey no longer saw a problem. What happened in 2009 to volte Selvey’s face?

    Well, the appointment of Mike Selvey’s friend Andy Flower as England coach happened in 2009. Coincidently, this is pretty much the time when Selvey complains that Pietersen’s career moved into its less successful second phase. I guess if we seek turning points, we can all see where the commonality lies. I look forward to Selvey applying the same forensic analysis to Flower’s coaching career and highlighting his first phase of success and his second phase of failure.

    When the dust settles, I am confident that Pietersen will be remembered as one of England’s greatest batsmen. Andy Flower, who seemed so obsessed with his legacy, will be remembered for destroying the career of a great player. Mike Selvey will not be remembered at all.

    I am sad that Selvey, as the long shadows of winter creep upon his career, has allowed his legacy as a journalist to be defined by his fealty to a mendacious ECB. I have never felt that his very short, undistinguished test career disentitled Selvey to a role as a commentator and journalist. But at least his obscurity protected him from the brutal exposure of celebrity. Better to be renowned enough to be ridiculed by Graham Norton. At least no one important takes any notice of that.”

    • I’m now offended that my post on the Guardian isn’t offensive enough to be taken down.

      I should like to know just how offensive one has to be to exact the wrath of the mods. I would like it noted that I consider myself to be at least equally as offensive as Clive, Tregaskis, Simon and the myriad other offenders to have been summarily excised from the electronic pages of the G.

      In fact I would go so far as to say that I am probably far more offensive than the illustrious company so modded just by virtue of being Australian.

      • LOVE AUSSIES!!! I think it was those that got so many recos that were modded. Couldn’t have those who were so popular and questioning the veracity of Selvey’s piece and be left on the thread. This following one hasn’t been modded and I think I know why as I am sure everyone else will. Up the Aussie I say. Been there 3 times and have family. Wonderful place and wonderful people and great cricketers.

        “I am a lawyer, and although the full extent of what went on has not been(and almost certainly never will be) made available to those of us who are – ahem – ‘outside cricket’, my consistent sense has been that the ECB have taken every opportunity to obfuscate, cover up and generally not be straight whenever possible.
        The inevitable sense is that this means it looks, rightly or wrongly, as if they hae something to hide. If they had simply said at the start “we genuinely think the guy is impossible; he’s done X, Y and Z and, while we accept that there are arguments on both sides, we genuinely think this is the best way forward for the team”, most of this hoo-ha would never have happened. The obsession with secrecy that seems to afflict the ECB is idiotic; they needn’t have had a confidentiality agreement with Pietersen if only they had intended to be up front abou twhat they were doing.
        The dossier (leaked or not? And if leaked from the ECB’s lawyers, why aren’t they under investigation already?) is a case in point. If the ECB really had that much material that was dynamite, they should simply have published it. As it is, the document is half-arsed and a level that most schoolboys would consider pathetic.
        As to the many, many journalists – including Selvey – who have toed the ECB line, I’m just curious as to why. I (and no doubt plenty of others) accept that sources need to be protected, so fair enough not to name names in some cases – but if anything Pietersen did was so truly appalling, why not tell us what it is? There has been altogether too much ‘he did TERRIBLE things, which we can’t tell you about’. Not only is that piss-weak journalism, it’s also dishonest. Believe me when I say that most journalists who try this stunt in print wouldn’t last ten minutes if I got hold of them in court. Consider –
        “so you said something awful happened”
        “Yes”
        “what was it then?”
        “oh, terrible things”
        “such as?”
        “well…er… I can’t tell you”
        “there weren’t any, were there?”
        following which Your Honour would no doubt have no problem in my asserting that the witness was in fact making it up, covering someon’es arse or at the very least plain unreliable.
        As to Pietersen himself, clearly he’s got every right to vent spleen. While his track record suggests that he’s no doubt not an entirely innocent party, I can only imagine how pissed off he must have been if he was treated by the ECB in anything like the way the public have
        been.
        And there’s the rub: as several others have said, what this whole sorry saga shows is that is most assuredly is not (or at least is no longer) About Kevin. The way the ECB have behaved is unbelievably incompetent. Irresepctive of the rights and wrongs, and who said what to whom, the whole affair has been conducted with a level of disingenuousness and unnecessary cloak-and-dagger secrecy that would make the very worst of politicians blush.
        The bit that absolutely crowned it for me was the revelation that all the England players are (in crude terms) contractually obliged not to speak out of turn by their central contracts. This is a sport, for fuck’s sake, not the development of nuclear weapons. What the hell is wrong with the ECB? If people have a bit of a gripe about the way things are run, then they should be free to say so. A talented cricketer’s future chances of playing for England should be determined by what they can do with bat or ball, not by whether or not they buy in to the coach of the day’s ideas. All of which brings us back to the original issue: when are the ECB actually going to admit that there have been drastic failures of man-management here? So Pietersen might be difficult to manage; lots of people are. Try working in a law firm with a partner who is an arse, but who is nontheless hard to remove because he brings in a lot of work. People deal with this stuff every day – and the wheels generally don’t come off.
        Finally, a plea to Mr Selvey: either give us this weapons-grade cache of evidence (suitably anonymised if you wish; I’ll respect your journalistic integrity enough to accept that you wouldn’t actually make up details), or admit it doesn’t exist. Throwing out unsubstantiated insinuations is neither credible, nor a respectable way to treat your readers – most of whom, lawyers or not, are more than capable of seeing through it.”

        I just loved this bit: ‘The dossier (leaked or not? And if leaked from the ECB’s lawyers, why aren’t they under investigation already?) is a case in point.’ What a corker!!!

      • I’m disgusted with the Guardian. I made what I thought was a quite innocuous comment about intending to mock useless journalists (I didn’t name any) and was modded. When I commented on being modded my post was deleted altogether. I commented on that and now my comments on the Guardian are ‘pre-moderated’. A process designed to filter out spam and abusive trolls.

        I emailed the Guardian to aks how to delete my account but haven’t had a response. I don’t want to have anything to do with them anymore and don’t want them to hold my details.

        It’s creepy and upsetting.

          • Is Jalfy arguing that only defamatory posts were deleted? Tregaskis’s, for one, certainly wasn’t libellous. Also, the Guardian cannot libel itself nor be in danger of suing itself.

          • Maxie, to complain effectively I think you have to contact the sports editor, who was Sean Ingle last time I looked. He’s OK and reasonably sympathetic to BTLers.

            I think Dante’s point about malicious reporting is worth thinking about, especially as you can report comments anonymously. I suspect a lot of the modding now is automatic and if a comment’s reported, it goes.

            But also sometimes the G gets huffy if they perceive that a group of commenters are just meeting up on the threads to pursue their own agenda and they may think we’re doing that.

            The thing that totally doesn’t work is posting a comment saying ‘why was I/somebody else modded?’ They just delete it, again it’s pretty much automatic.

    • Tregaskis, there is nothing in your piece that is offensive. So it can only have been taken down because your intellectual argument is far superior to the Guardians cricket writers.

      By the way, I’m sure Selvey himself is not taking the posts down. Probably has a low paid intern, on day release from Bedford school to do it for him.

      • I should be surprised Selvey had taken them down but I wouldn’t bet me shirt that didn’t make a “request” to have them removed. Never seen so many taken down before, well apart from an article about the blessed IDS and what a good job he’d done. So many were modded that there were hardly any left worth reading! This Selvey piece really takes the biscuit. Mind you when I complained about the ones I had written that had been removed I did get a very friendly email who said the moderations were a little extreme and that had I not called IDS “a liar” I should have been alright!!! I could call him a S..T of course but not a liar.

        Anyway have a good day one and all, and you Mark.

      • I suggested that Selvey was far too busy and important to delete posts on his own thread and so he must have a lackey doing it for him.
        That one lasted about ten minutes before disappearing :)

        • I love the idea of Selvey trolling up and down the threads on his articles playing whack-a-mole in the comments section.

          Brings an image of Elmer Fudd to mind.

      • I’m someone from BTL at The Guardian, and I just wanted to comment on the modding issue.

        The Comments section is reactively moderated. Obviously the moderators do not check every post, so they are reliant upon the people who comment BTL to report anything which falls foul of the rules. The Guardian will have members of staff monitoring sensitive articles in order to report those posts to the moderators (who I believe are usually an external service), but that’s unlikely to be the case here.

        The problem is that some people BTL learn to use the moderation system vindictively. I used to be on the BBC 606 forums where some people learned how to get other people’s comments removed, and also how to write their own posts without risk of them being deleted. It’s an art form. For example, phrasing something as a question would enable their comment to stay up, even though it was blatantly designed to annoy.

        I bring this up because it sounds like there was a sudden cull of posts in the past 24 hours or so. I’m slightly reluctant to point the finger without evidence (or I could just claim I have evidence that I can’t show you, so you just have to believe me…), but it might coincide with the activity of someone who has suddenly come BTL of that article (especially page 4) to attack KP and your comments. It may not be that particular individual, but a sudden removal of many posts does suggest one person is going through all the comments and sending reports.

        Anyway, keep up the good work, everyone!

        • Hi Dante, I wondered about that too.

          I did think it might be Mike Selvey or someone on his behalf complaining or reporting posts, but I looked through the whole thread this evening and there are a lot of earlier comments still in place which are very critical of him. So I don’t think it’s anything to do with him personally.

          It seems to be a random selection that have been deleted, but includes the longer and more articulate posts by such as Tregaskis and Ashers.

          The moderating service should realise if only one person is reporting a lot of posts, but the G website has such a massive readership all commenting away that things may go unnoticed. Something to watch out for.

    • Thank you, Tregaskis – it was certainly worth re-printing in full.

      Did the Guardian remove the whole thing, or just edit it?

      • Whole thing and the attendant comments from others! There were a lot of casualties. It was blue-pencil carnage at the Guardian. As some wag noted btl, Selvey’s article must be one of a rare few where the number of comments went down the longer the article stayed up. So at least it had that distinction.

  • The ecb are relying on the next few matches in the hope that Cook and the team will do well to justify (in their minds) that they were right. Then we can all settle down and pay our money. That’s a lot of pressure to put on a team, especially cook. What will happen if the team fail? Who will be the next scapegoat? There is so many questions about the ecb and no flipping answers forthcoming.

    • Sadly for you Vanessa I expect it’s very much a case of when the team fails rather than if.

      No team can produce consistently good results under the types of pressures that are likely to exist in the English squad.

      • You are right Ian. I’m probably not going to find out the answers to my questions but I’m glad I got to read KP book and that btl’ers like yourself and this blog will keep at it.

      • But then, when it does, it will all be that mercenary Saffer’s fault, won’t it? That platform already exists. He has already tarnished the legacy of a golden age, so when the under-pressure Cook, or mouthy Anderson, wilt, the blame will lie with KP for undermining the team.

        • I salute your logical reasoning.

          Have you ever considered a career in the ECB press office?

    • That’s basically what they were doing all summer, though, isn’t it?

      I guess they’ll keep trying it until it works….

    • What if Cook is a total failure as captain? Does he get shown the door? After all he is between a rock and hard place when it comes to the machinations of the ECB. The ECB must go. I think that the rumours of Clarke resigning – in case he is pushed – may happen. After all there will be a great deal of pressure if Cook and team fail miserably. What of Eoin Morgan? Been dropped because he is a pal of KP? I was very angry with Selvey but now I just feel very sad indeed. I do not think is corrupt, just mis-guided and mis-informed. Maybe even far too trusting and loyal to his mates. It may well blow up in his face and what will he do then. I see that Swann is very very unhappy with his old mucker from Essex, Mr Gooch! Not a happy bunny at all. Swann being miffed however is small beer to what KP has been put through during this last year. A taste of his own medicine methinks. Well Swanny: “suck it up!”

      Thanks Maxie, James, – and Tregaskis (for your comment which was brilliant by the way – at least you lasted 18 hours, my one only lasted 12!!! Over 100 recos as well.) for allowing us all to vent out whatevers! Cheers one and all for all the great posts on here. Fantabulous!

      • Annie, Cook is pretty close to filling that requirement already don’t you think?

        And he’s pretty close to the end of his shelf life as a batsman unless he magically finds some form very quickly.

        It could all end very quickly for him. We’ve all seen it happen to better batsmen.

        • It seems to me that Cook has been worked out by everybody except the England management.

          He had a great purple patch, but I can’t see it being repeated unless he again comes up against sides that are in disarray or have just lost important players.

          The sad thing is that, like Strauss, when he does quit because he’s failing the gossip will be that it was all because of that nasty KP.

  • Sorry to dump more censored material on you, but this one of my posts which was modded from BTL on Selvey’s piece: (the other was less polite, though not abusive, and I didn’t save it before deletion)

    I’m sorry that the Guardian has moderated one of my comments, above.
    To reframe it in a manner which the mods will hopefully find acceptable, I was making a point in response to this excerpt from Selvey’s piece:

    “I find it impossible to believe that such an eminent writer as his ghost, David Walsh, did not countenance rather more restraint when telling his story, but in the end the paymaster calls the tune: that drumbeat again.”

    My point was that Walsh is known by everyone who knows the story of Lance Armstrong to be a man of absolute and almost unparalleled integrity in the field of sports journalism. He went to such lengths to expose the truth about Armstrong that his career was damaged by it, as professional cycling teams openly refused to associate with him, as a result of which he absented himself from active reporting on the sport for a number of years.

    I will not repeat my remarks comparing the relative integrity of Walsh and Selvey as I suspect these were what fell foul of the moderators. What I will say is that Walsh is, manifestly, not a man whose writing decisions are principally driven by money and that, manifestly, he is not a man who would associate himself with any writing which he did not believe should be heard in public.

    I will also repeat that Walsh is not a man who is content to follow the crowd or whose reporting is principally driven by the desire to maintain good relationships with figures of authority in sports administration. I will leave to others to consider whether the same could be said of the reporters employed by newspapers to report on English cricket.

    • I basically agree but, just to note, Walsh is not Gandhi.

      He’s a very straight and admirable guy, but he’s also pretty ruthless in getting what he wants, as Emma O’Reilly testifies. Her confession to him was pennies from Heaven, and he wasn’t afraid to us it, even in the knowledge that it would unleash unmitigated hell on Armstrong’s former soigneur. He did what he needed to and she got trampled in the wake.

      For a good cause, yes, but let’s not paint him as a monk.

      • Oh absolutely, wouldn’t disagree at all. There is no doubt he acted thoughtlessly at times in pursuing the story and he has acknowledged this himself. What he isn’t, though, is a hack for hire. Nor incidentally is he someone whose natural inclination is to restraint.

        I don’t honestly think Selvey meant to denigrate Walsh, he was just being careless in his language, but I do think his example provides an instructive contrast with the embedded cricket press.

  • Ah but you are forgetting something.

    As a certain paul newman so helpfully pointed out recently, the award-winning David Walsh is “not a cricket man.”

  • Oh dear, when mates fall out. It seems Swann and Gooch are having a tiff. Swann has defended himself for going home early from the tour..

    From Cricinfo………..”But Gooch, England’s former batting coach, told the Daily Telegraph that Swann’s decision was “criminal” and made England “a laughing stock”. “I cannot understand why he couldn’t stick it out until the end of the trip,” Gooch said. “It left a bad taste.”

    Swann retorted……..””Gooch is very old-school,” Swann said. “We haven’t sat down and talked about it to get my perspective. Then he would see the reasons why I did it. I just couldn’t turn the cricket ball, which, as a spin bowler, means you are useless to your team. It wasn’t a form thing, it was succumbing to the inevitable. In retrospect, I shouldn’t have gone on the tour at all. I wish I had read the signs more rather than just thinking James Anderson will get 30 wickets, I will only have to hold one end up, I will be fine and we will win the Ashes. That is my only regret.”

    Just more evidence of what a shambles the whole tour was. But no need for an inquiry. Just go on blindly saying what a genius Flower was. How many people on that tour were not fit for purpose? But KP was old so let’s get rid of him.

    • Isn’t this contrary to his stated reason for leaving Australia, i.e. that Flower had told him to leave and didn;t want him around the team?

      Surely as a member of Flower’s staff Gooch would have been privy to this.

      Is someone telling porkies?

      • Oh and there it is again my find Aussie pal. “It was like this and you must all believe it!” A few months down the line: “It was really like this” dar de dar. As my old dad used to say, if you are going to tell porkies you are going to have to have a “damn good memory!” Something, as I have said before ad nauseum, the ECB and its mates just do not have. “There is no smoking gun….but!| “How could KP treat Cook in such a way when it was Cook who got him back in the team?” A few months later, you have a certain journalist who has the “inside” track to the ECB and tells us, it was Mr Flower who insisted that KP was back in the team! And now we have it being said that it was Prior who was pushing for KP to come back into the team. Blimey its like trying to listen to 3 different pieces of music at the same time!

        Then of course the “insiders” with an ear to the “Executive Insiders” expects everyone to believe everything they say is right? Porkies Ian? Reemergence of some dinosaur-types of flying pigs methinks! Just had enough of these people – whether well-meaning and loyal or not. At the end of the day what they pass off as journalism – is just opinion lead derived by listening to hear-say. A rant passed off as “journalism!” I think not. One of the lecturers – a newspaper editor/owner in Bournemouth; where I worked supporting students with disabilities – told his awaiting students: “I want evidenced-based essays. And I do mean evidence from reliable and verified sources. And that does not mean wikipaedia either. Use that and you will immediately be failed! No opinion-led crap as that will also lead to a fail.” He was hard but fair. Boy did he know his stuff. Now that’s a definition of journalism from a journalist who had been working for over 40 years in the business.

  • Quite understandable that people should question journos’ motives. There is a momentous war going on for a while between video gamers and games journos, who are also accused of following a common line as well as favouring certain publishers in their reviews. Many gamers are savvy IT pros and they have uncovered a group mail account which these journos use to share their thoughts. If you want to follow up, google Gamergate or look for #gamergate on twitter. It’s ferocious stuff.

  • Thanks to those who commented on my “poisoning the well” comment. To be honest, it’s not as good as it could be, because I suddenly realized half way through that some of the things I included under the “poisoning the well” logical fallacy should actually go under a wider heading of “intellectual dishonesty”, with “poisoning the well” as a subset. But I’d got so far with the piece that I didn’t want to rewrite it. If I had done so, there were several more examples I could have given of intellectual dishonesty in Selvey’s piece and others’, but I think I got the main ones anyway

    One important one that I missed was highlighted in Simon K’s excellent deleted comment. Selvey not so subtly presents ghost writer David Walsh as really being on Selvey’s side. In Selvey’s imaginary world, Walsh urges Pietersen to show more restraint in his revelations. But Pietersen refuses. Why? Because he is marching to the drumbeat of money.

    All this is entirely imaginary, and it takes an enormous amount of chutzpah to put words into Walsh’s mouth as well as ascribe mercenary motives to Pietersen. I can only use the words that Geoffrey Boycott used about the leaked dossier: It stinks.

  • Selvey, Aggers et al have closed ranks around Downton and pump out endless drivel like this because (a) they dislike Pietersen personally and have been shown up by him, (b) share the ECB’s disdain for people “outside cricket”, but most importantly (c) Downton is one of the chaps and needs protecting because he has made a terrible mistake and is out of his depth. Downton had zero management experience in the City before taking on this role managing the whole of English cricket. And I mean literally not a single second, managing a single person, ever.

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