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Here are a few (admittedly disconnected) thoughts on some of the talking points over the last few days.

Yesterday my colleague James Morgan wrote in defence of (no relation) Eoin Morgan, the beleaguered England one-day captain. Every England captain finds himself beleaguered eventually, but Morgan has achieved the feat in record speed. He’s only been in charge for six matches.

Nick Hoult made a good point in the Daily Telegraph yesterday.

There has to be a level of sympathy for Morgan. Most captains at this tournament have had the benefit of years of planning for the World Cup. Captaincy was thrust on him in the middle of the night while he was playing Big Bash cricket in Australia. He has not had time to put his stamp on the team and had no say in the selection of the squad. He is playing catch-up at the worst possible time because England were not ruthless enough in removing Alastair Cook earlier last year.

The team are still playing in Cook’s mould with Test players dominating the batting line-up while aggressive strikers such as Alex Hales and Ben Stokes are not in the team.

If England succeed in this World Cup, it will be despite – and not because – of the management’s strategic planning for the tournament . We are witnessing the execution of a masterplan which is part wonky Excel spreadsheet, part scribbled-on-the-back-of-fag-packet.

In the debacle against Australia on Saturday, it wasn’t that England didn’t have a gameplan. They had a plan alright, but it was devised by Peter Moores, who has an uncanny knack of confusing his players through a combination of over-complication and last-minute panic.

Moores may be the outstanding coach of his generation, but his methodology is sclerotic and his philosophy incoherent.

Try and pick the logic out of his comments after the Australia match:

We asked James Taylor to go into the middle order. He’s played there a lot. He feels he’s very strong there because of his adaptability. He likes the role. And it was the first time Gary had been available for selection a month. He’s had a broken finger. He played in the practice game and played very well. He looked in good form, he looked good in practice and he did his fielding. We felt he was ready. It gave us a nice balance to have him at No. 3.

Have we under-used the yorker? Yes. We have under-used it. But it wasn’t just about execution in this game. Our plans weren’t as good as they could have been.

I think, in this game, the players were sucked into the width of the wide boundaries and felt that was the best option,” he said. “You have to set the right fields for that and we didn’t always get the right fields. So we have to go away, look at that and decide what we are going to do.

The yorker is a really good ball. But you you’ve got to bowl the right ball to the right field. If you look at the stats for the best in world cricket, they don’t just bowl yorkers. They bowl to simple plans.

Mitchell Starc is a yorker bowler, but some are not and they bowl a heavy length with slower balls. You have to go to your strengths. So we have certain bowlers who lend themselves to going full with yorkers; others won’t use it quite as much. The key for whoever bowls at that time is to be clear and committed in what they’re trying to do. And then bowl to their field.

There are areas where we didn’t deliver.

So far, so very Moorseian, but this was the most Moorseian remark of all:

The players have to ask: did we play the game, and the style and brand of game, we wanted to and if we didn’t, we have to look at how we’re going to do that going through the tournament.

Earlier today, Paul Collingwood said Moores is coming under pressure. In any normal professional environment, he indeed would be, but at the ECB the politics will protect Moores for at least another couple of years.

In other news, the ECB have announced that black is now officially white. As George Dobell reports on Cricinfo (and many of you will probably have seen this already)

With confirmation that Eoin Morgan will be involved in the IPL – it was not certain he would be bought – comes confirmation that he will be unavailable for the ODI against Ireland in Malahide on May 8. Nobody, either coaches or players, involved in the England tour to the Caribbean, which is scheduled to finish on May 5, will be considered for the trip. So candidates such as Jos Buttler, the team’s official vice-captain, Joe Root, Stuart Broad and Ian Bell are all unavailable. Morgan has been assured by the ECB he can miss the Ireland ODI.

Time was that an England player putting the IPL before his country was seen as the ultimate act of treachery. Previously, another high profile player – who wasn’t even captain – was labelled as a greedy, selfish mercenary for having the temerity even to ask.

But now we have this (courtesy of Dobell):

There is a growing sense within English cricket that one of the problems with the national side’s limited-overs form is their lack of experience of the biggest domestic tournaments around the world. There is an understanding that more experience of big crowds, high-pressure situations and the chance to share ideas with other leading international players might outweigh the short-term disadvantages.

Changing times, or double standards?

Dobell also reports an interesting nugget of gossip.

It seems that Mark Robinson, the Sussex director of cricket, is favourite to coach the team [for the Ireland ODI] – manage might be a more appropriate term – while James Taylor must have a great chance of becoming an England captain. Don’t be surprised if Andy Flower also returns to the coaching team in some role.

Well blow me down with a feather. Who thought that that might happen?

Returning to Eoin Morgan, there were some interesting comments from Geoffrey Boycott in his Telegraph column:

England moaned about my Eoin Morgan comments before the game against Australia but perhaps instead they should have been concentrating on improving their fielding and looking up the definition of common sense.

Before the match I made some comments that were critical of his batting. I never said Morgan can’t bat. I just believe he is a finisher of an innings. That is it.

Some people forget that it is my job as a commentator or writer to be honest. I am not in Australia to be England’s cheerleader or sycophantic fan. My moderate ability as a one day batsman has no relevance to any opinions I give on the current England team.

The facts are recently England have lost more one day matches than they have won so they can’t all be batting and bowling well can they? There must be room for improvement. If that comes across as criticism and people don’t like it then too bad because I’m not going to change.

What a shame that more of the correspondents in the press and commentary boxes don’t share his philosophy.

55 comments

  • Nick Hoult is delusional, like every annoying English cricket fan who thinks that there is a silver lining in every damn defeat – the simple fact is that England is ok, not great, not good and definitely not going to win anything.

    The big boys have already puffed their chests out – Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and India, goodnight Irene to the rest.

    BTW, what was it I said, some time ago, about Steve Smith, and was mocked by some on TFT????

    Gosh I have missed you all!

    I’m back………..

    • Technically, there IS a silver lining in every defeat: not all the players play (equally) badly in any one innings. But that doesn’t change the fact that not all the players are firing at once, which is why we’re being defeated more often than we’re winning.

  • Just wanted to make a single point about all this.

    Eventually and particularly in a competition with number of teams to play over quite a short period, there has to be a realisation plans going into a match are only of use to a point. The players have to impose themselves on the opposition (not by being arrogant tossers) but also they must play the game in front of them and not what is on a whiteboard.

    I don’t see where that approach is going to be nurtured in the current set-up or which players have that degree of leadership in them.

  • There are two possible interpretations of the Moores comments (aside from his obvious inability to string together a coherent argument)…

    Either he is saying that the bowling plans he had in place for the game were simply wrong – or the plans were right, and the team completely ignored them. It’s impossible to say which he means.
    His comments on the batting order are the purest hogwash.

    • My feelings exactly. Felt quite sorry for him. Out of his depth. Struggled to make out what he was implying. All things must pass … hopefully

      • Your generosity does you credit, but I’m afraid I can’t share it in this case.
        It’s one thing to be out of your depth – quite another to pretend you’re not, particularly when you’re the guy supposedly running the show.

        I’d have more sympathy had he not failed once before as England coach.

    • It seems the first interpretation is right – he has little idea what he is doing:

      BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew
      “It concerns me that England have changed bowling tactics, by the look of it, at a very late stage. They have been out on the [practice] pitch with a scaffold pole and a couple of bricks bowling yorker after yorker.”

  • The softening on IPL is basically an admission that England’s domestic game does not prepare our cricketers for the intensity of international cricket, especially in One Day and T20.

    The majority of England’s problems stem from the lack of ability of our bowlers in the heat of the onslaught to deliver their skills under pressure, because they’re not prepared for it. At the top level of any sport, it’s about how players handle pressure as much as their skill level. The coaches are not the best, they’re certainly not the idiots that people on here like to make out

    As far as the Pietersen IPL situation goes, I know I’m going to get shot down for this, but he did get to play IPL cricket from 2009 onwards. I can actually understand the resistance from the ECB who, let’s remember, had employed him full time since 2004. Would anybody be keen for a key asset to head off for 4 weeks at the start of the season, missing games and potentially injuring himself?

    To prove the point, from Feb 2009, he played 5 tests and 5 ODIs in the West Indies finishing on 3rd April, played half a dozen IPL games finishing on 30th April, played the first West Indies Test on 6th May, and he predictably got injured in July and missed the last 3 ashes tests.

    The ECB get a lot of things wrong, but if I’m honest, I’d have been pissed off if they hadn’t tried to discourage him taking part – at the time, he was very definitely England’s best player, and I for one preferred him to be playing for England than for the Charging Daredevil SuperKnights. Understand his reasons, and don’t begrudge him, but I support England, not an IPL franchise.

    The problem for England with the IPL is always going to be the timing. It’s different for the southern hemisphere nations as their seasons are completely over, and unless they’re touring England, they’re free and clear. If an Aussie gets injured in the IPL in April, he’s got until November to get fit.

    • Hamish, unsurprisingly I’m going to disagree with you here. The IPL is more difficult for England but the ECB pay themselves a heck of a lot of money to get difficult decisions right and on this they have been short-sighted and wrong.

      The IPL is difficult to fit in with England’s schedule but it is the schedule that is largely to blame. Is international cricket in England in May such a boon to anyone except 82 mph nibbly medium-pacers that we couldn’t give it up? The international season could and should start in June (as it always used to). The issue here is that the ECB have hocked themselves to Sky and their demands for constant product (although now Sky have the IPL maybe their attitude will change). England’s schedule is also far more to blame for injuries than the IPL – Prior, Trott, Swann, Bresnan and others weren’t burnt-out prematurely by the IPL.

      The IPL shouldn’t been seen as something ‘against’ England. It can help England players become better. This has to be a good thing. When England won the T20I WC five players had played in the preceding IPL and I don’t think this was a coincidence. As much as the players, I’d like to see English coaches trying to get into the IPL and joining the likes of Tom Moody, Stephen Fleming and Shane Bond.

      There is an interesting graphic of IPL participation here:

      https://infogr.am/2008-2014-ipl-auctions

      As for England’s coaching not being that bad, Graham Gooch made some pretty trenchant points about some of the bowling coaching on R5 last night. Training for yorkers by using an iron bar is a start but Gooch must be right that most of the training should involve bowling at actual batsmen. Goochie wasn’t quite so revealing on the recent batting coaching though – perhaps when Saker goes he’ll tell us what they’ve were up to!

      • “The issue here is that the ECB have hocked themselves to Sky and their demands for constant product (although now Sky have the IPL maybe their attitude will change)”

        Well it appears their attitude has changed! A coincidence or just another sinister interference that Sky is the real power behind England Cricket?

      • I think they do need May though, given that the revenue generated by Team England props up the failing county system. Too many decisions taken by the ECB are taken in the interests of the counties which don’t produce enough money, and not for the best interests of English cricket as a whole. They’ve hocked themselves to Sky because they need the money.

        By definition, the IPL is a massive threat to England, because it overlaps with the English season and has much more financial clout. I think it’s a case of England accepting the inevitable.

    • The point is this: if it’s right for English players to gain experience in the IPL now, then it was in 2012. If it’s OK for an England player to miss international matches now, then it always way. If there’s nothing wrong with earning money now, then there never was. But why was Pietersen excoriated for asking for time off to play in the IPL, but Morgan gets the ECB’s blessing? I can’t see what was much different about what the two players asked for.

      • Perhaps they have learned a lesson and decided to be more flexible or maybe it’s because they don’t see Morgan as their star test player so he is of less importance to them.

      • Pietersen was a test player and there was a test series that clashed with the IPL. It seems Morgan and co will be allowed to go as they are only really going to be one-day players. Should’t it be Middlesex who have more of a say than the ECB with Morgan – they pay his wages for the summer, don’t they?

        As for KP – well he was ‘excoriated’ because he whinged about having time away from cricket, in which he wanted to go and play more cricket. Joined-up thinking like that doesn’t endear to employers.

  • “There are two possible interpretations of the Moores comments ”

    – he seems to have a great career in politics ahead of him then…

  • For my money, Woodpecker 2.0 won’t last beyond the end of the World Cup. He’ll rotate/peck himself clean out of the job.

    So who will be next? Flower 2.0? Ashley 2.0? Duncan 2.0? Or is it gonna be someone else? Whoever it is, I’m sure they’ll be even more outstanding-er. Going forwards, etc.

    • Jason Gillespie, who’s done an amazing job at Yorks and a few days ago said he’d love the England job?

        • He hits the veritable nail on the head, with a pithiness and accuracy which is almost painful. For me, a plum quote is:

          “There’s not a lot of batsmen who move a lot around the crease against England – they don’t have to, they just stand there and wait for the crap ball. They [England’s pace bowlers] don’t trust the full and straight one, or the full and wide one. They don’t trust their skill”.

          There were plenty of people who suggested Gillespie as Flower’s replacment. If you can have a foreign coach – which we have – you can have an Australian one. You can’t argue that Zimbabweans are OK, not but Aussies.

          Gillespie is everything Moores isn’t: insightful, incisive, instinctive, wise, battle-hardened, successful, a breath of fresh air, and keeps it simple. On the down side, he isn’t the outstanding coach of his generation.

          • He may not be the outstanding coach of his generation, but he just might be the best one willing to do the job. He’s certainly had a good run at Yorkshire so far.

            • Crucially Gillespie has solid technical knowledge combined with a proven ability to get players playing well. All those intangibles about “enjoying playing, backing yourself, etc.” can seem like cliches, but Yorkshire as a team palpably are enjoying it, backing themselves, etc. more since JG took over.

  • This was Stephen Brenkley’s opening in a piece he wrote on the 1st February 2014 the day after Flower resigned. Interesting seeing who the candidates were. Moore’s wasn’t even on the list…….

    English cricket was offered an opportunity for swift and deep reform after Andy Flower’s resignation as coach. The new managing director, Paul Downton, can launch a worldwide search for his successor as England approach the end of their worst tour in history.

    It is perhaps a reflection of the parlous state of England’s cricket at the moment that the news came out some time before any official announcement was due to be made.

    Flower himself gave an indication of what was required after deciding it was impossible for him to continue despite his insistence four weeks ago that he intended to stay. A brief period of reflection at home seems to have persuaded him that the 5-0 Ashes whitewash combined with the splitting of the coaching roles made his continuing impossible.

    In his farewell statement, Flower said: “Following the recent very disappointing Ashes defeat it is clear to me that this is now time for England cricket, led by Alastair Cook, to rebuild with a new set of values and goals.

    “The opportunity to start with a clean slate and begin to instil methods to ensure England cricket is moving in the right direction will be an incredibly exciting challenge for someone but I do not feel like I am in a position to undertake that challenge.”

    So who now? Candidates for top job

    Ashley Giles (Odds: Evens)

    Stephen Fleming (12-1)

    Graham Ford (8-1)

    Gary Kirsten (7-1)

    Mickey Arthur (10-1)

    Paul Collingwood (20-1)

    Not a great list was it? Mickey Arthur’s time with Australia had ended badly. Collingwood had little experience . Kirsten would reject the chance. Giles was not seen as good enough.

    Here’s an idea. Let’s get rid of the coach. Hire a team manger to run the administration side. And an assistant to the captain to help out. Let the captain decide the strategy and see if they do any worse.

    • Flower won 15 of 18 test series and the T20 world cup.

      England did well enough with him in charge.

      • From the top of my memory, lost to SA, lost to Pakistan, lost to Australia, lost to West Indies, drawn with Sri Lanka.

        Nice definition of 15 you have got going there.

        • England in West Indies 2008/09 West Indies 1-0 (5)
          West Indies in England 2009 England 2-0 (2)
          The Ashes 2009 England 2-1 (5)
          England in South Africa 2009/10 drawn 1-1 (4)
          England in Bangladesh 2009/10 England 2-0 (2)
          Bangladesh in England 2010 England 2-0 (2)
          Pakistan in England 2010 England 3-1 (4)
          The Ashes 2010/11 England 3-1 (5)
          Sri Lanka in England 2011 England 1-0 (3)
          Pataudi Trophy 2011 England 4-0 (4)
          Pakistan v England 2011/12 Pakistan 3-0 (3)
          England in Sri Lanka 2011/12 drawn 1-1 (2)
          West Indies in England 2012 England 2-0 (3)
          South Africa in England 2012 South Africa 2-0 (3)
          England in India 2012/13 England 2-1 (4)
          England in New Zealand 2012/13 drawn 0-0 (3)
          New Zealand in England 2013 England 2-0 (2)
          The Ashes 2013 England 3-0 (5)
          The Ashes 2013/14 Australia 5-0 (5)

          I count 12 wins, 3 draws, 4 losses. In the West Indies he was an interim manager, but nonetheless, he was in the hot seat then, albeit in a temporary capacity.

          Two of those wins were against Bangladesh, and another 2 against West Indies, who have not won an away tour since 1995 against Top-8 opposition. So hardly the kind of team who set the benchmark for excellence these days.

          What remains is just 8 wins, 3 draws and 3 losses then. Which is good, but hardly great. It is not like any of those losses were that close – as they include two of the most crushing whitewashes England have ever suffered.

          If you want a home / away split, it is

          Home: P:10 W: 9 D:0 L:1
          Away: P:9 W: 3 D: 3 L:3

          And if you want to put it in # of wins:
          Home: P:33 W:21 D:8 L:4
          Away: P:33 W:9 D:11 L:13

          For the purposes of these stats the tour of the UAE is treated as an away tour.

      • But was it the coach or the players Hamish?

        His period of time as coach just happened to coincide with a very good group of of players. Strauss and a young Cook ( who probably won’t better his form) formed an excellent opening partnership. Trott at 3 as a run machine. KP at 4 doing what he did best. A counter attacking wicket keeper in Prior. A great spin bowler in Swann who gave both control and got wickets and could bat. And one of the best swing bowers in World cricket in Jimmy Anderson. You would have to be some sort of moron to screw that up.

        Yet when the players began to falter and pass their sell by dates Coach Flower could not turn it around. Culminating in total humiliation in the Ashes.

        Who was the coach of the great West Indies team? Apart from a few, nobody remembers. It was mostly a team manager and fitness guy. Who coached the great Australian team of Warne and Co? And did he make any real difference. Warne didn’t think much of the so called team bonding sessions.

        I don’t think the coach makes much difference if you have good/great players. But I think he can do a lot of harm if he is not very good.

        Does this not fit with your belief that the current players are not good enough?

        • I would counter your argument by saying that the team of the previous 4 years which included many of the same players but also included Trescothick, Vaughan, Geraint Jones, and a bowling attack of Flintoff, Harmison, Hoggard, Panesar who were all high quality had nothing like the same level of success. Prior for Jones and Swann for Panesar were obviously better players but there wasn’t much between the rest. Of course a coach needs good players, but under Flower and Strauss, England seemed to have a clear plan about what they were doing and executed it

          Trott was a Flower pick and not an obvious one, Tim Bresnan was a Flower pick, again, not an obvious test player. Both of them flourished in the environment, as did players like Bell, who had floundered somewhat to that point. Swann and Anderson had been around for a long time before flourishing under Flower. There’s an awful lot of things that went right for it to be just a coincidence.

          One of the keys is that Flower had a excellent foil in Strauss, and I think the pair of them, like Fletcher and Vaughan / Hussain before them, made an excellent team. I think the key is that a coach and captain have to be on the same wavelength. Strauss understood what the plan was and I think was a very skilled operator, and complemented Flower’s approach, which was very detail orientated. Strauss is unwavering in his praise for Flower, and he is the man whose opinion is most important when it comes to assessing Flower.

          As far as the Windies team of the 70s, sport has changed immeasurably since then. The Lions teams of the 70s had no coach, yet nobody can deny that McGeechan made enormous differences to the Lions teams he put together.

          As far as the players not being good enough, let me rephrase that. The domestic cricket that is played in England, especially limited overs, is poor quality. It doesn’t prepare them for the intensity of bowling at McCullum or facing Starc and Johnson and others and their skills wilt under pressure. There is a limited amount an international coach can do to improve that.

          I speak as a long suffering Scotland rugby fan who has seen coaches come and go over the last 15 years with little difference. Scotland’s current side, while not quite there yet, has improved because the quality of play by the domestic sides has improved dramatically over the last two to three years. Cotter is doing a great job, but the real breakthrough is the job being done with the Pro sides, especially Glasgow.

    • “Following the recent very disappointing Ashes defeat it is clear to me that this is now time for England cricket, led by Alastair Cook, to rebuild with a new set of values and goals.”

      Why was a departing coach, who had just presided over the worst tour ever, ever allowed to endorse his terrible captain like this?

    • According to an article in the Daily Mirror, Kirsten was approached by the ECB. Kirsten however wanted to pick his own players which included KP. The ECB said KP would never play for England again, so Kirsten said on yer bike! Not sure where they got the story from but one thing is for sure, Kirsten never denied it. Interestingly, Giles was kicked in the head probably because he said he would pick KP. Done before he had started.

  • Less human clutter in the dressing room, less laptops too – it might work out.

    Here comes the BUT…

    Alistair Cook’s the captain… the anti-Brearley.

  • I’d go for JG too. However, he’d have to be able to tolerate Downton – probably the oustanding CEO in his own orangery.

    (Going forwards, etc.)

  • Just wow.
    That was an astonishing display from New Zealand – and also, in rather a different manner, from England.

    The only Englishman who might take some positives from that game is Cook, who must be feeling rather better about being sacked.

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    • MISS IT AT YOUR PERIL

      In the context of today’s game , ‘blink, and you’ll miss it’ might be more appropriate.
      In fact, given their batting today, that might also be England’s new motto.

  • This was such a team failure – I think you have to look at the coach.
    We’re so inflexible, and somehow we always seem to have the wrong plan.
    Bowl first on a deteriorating pitch against Aus? Bad idea.
    So, bat first on a green top against NZ? What were they thinking?

    So, bad plan, compound with the inflexibility – only Root even began to adjust to the conditions…
    Game over before the England bowlers get hold of the ball…

    • And Ballance looks badly out of touch – perhaps unsurprising seeing how many practice overs he got in during the warmup games…

      Moores… words fail…

      • It could be argued that he’s not really suited to playing at three in the one day game, but essentially you’re right.
        The preparation has been awful – sticking with Cook, against all reason, until the 11th hour, while chopping and changing the rest of the batting in an attempt to find a top and middle order to accommodate him. Since the appointment of Morgan it’s been no better.

        Meanwhile, our best one day batter, fully recovered from injury and apparently back in form, sits in permanent exile.

    • Was it that much of a green top ?
      Boycott after the third over:
      “I think if you’re sat in the England dressing room you’re thinking we can get a good score here. I’d be surprised if they get under 270, it’s very flat.

    • ‘Game over before the England bowlers get hold of the ball’

      And when they did get hold of the ball it would still have been all over; Finn went for 49 off two overs and Broad’s bowling ath the moment is like being savaged by one of Cookie’s sheep.

      :-)

  • And just for the record, none of the first four wickets could be blamed in the swinging ball – which seems to be England’s excuse du jour – “we weren’t expecting it..” etc

    • Ali’s was due to swing surely?

      The fact that he was bowled by a full swinging delivery when Warne and Botham on commentary were calling for a bouncer was particularly sweet.

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